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Name: Walter Holt () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 17:44:13

Email: wholt48@socal.rr.com
City and State: Surf City, CA
Class: 1966
Message: In response to Recent Grad plus Ken Ryan...Speaking from my own personal experience with having children in a multi-languaged classrooms. As long as we continue with integrating classrooms with english and non enlish speaking children, both are going to suffer due to the limitations the teachers are put under attempting to teach both at the same level. More often than not the teachers are having to spend the majority of their time trying to get the non-english speaking children up to a passing level which in a lot of cases the english speaking children have to fend for themselves in the classroom and suffer in their education. This is not the fault of the teachers, in a vast majority of the time, but with the system and our segregation laws that do not allow the separation of our children into different classrooms or even schools that could benefit both. This is not just a "white" persons problem but all "nationalities" problem as we all exist in this nation and have to come up with better solutions as our times change in this great nation of ours. So anyone who is dissatified with it can have the freedom of living somewhere else, ergo the phrase " America, Love it or Leave it" or in our case "Hawthorne, Love it or Leave it". The vast majority here on Cougartown even though we don't live there anymore still love the town we grew up in regardless of how it has changed...My two cents worth.

Name: Kim Begley () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 16:32:09

Email: krbegley@pacbell.net
City and State: Scotts Valley, CA
Maiden: Stembler
Class: 1973
Message: Wade, I'm so sorry for the loss of your beloved Penny. If I remember correctly, you and Penny met at our 10- year reunion in 1983. You, Garrett and Matthew are in all of our thoughts and I hope you can feel my hug from here.

Name: Betty Rodriguez () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 15:32:17

Email: tombettyr@peoplepc.com
City and State: Lake Elsinore, CA
Maiden: Kean
Class: 1969
Message: Jim Pasternak- Loved your response. Sweety, you need to write in to C-Town more often! We need your intellect and grace. We get awful feisty here at Cougartown and I think you could be our resident arbitrator.
Betty Kean-Rodriguez '69

Name: Enza Nicocia () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 15:11:11

Email: enico72*aol.com
City and State: San Pedro Hill, CA
Maiden: heaven has another angel.......
Class: 1972
Message: Wade, Wade, Wade. What a lovely memorial service for such a lovely lady. I was moved by all the tributes that were made in Penny's honor. She was truly loved by all. Please remember that you have another family here at CT, and that we look forward to your postings, as soon as you feel up to it. It was grand to finally meet you, and to catch up with your beloved momma, Irene. Until then, keep the faith, and please keep in touch with your fellow alumni that care for you and your family here at CT.

Name: KEN RYAN () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 14:35:48
Email: RIBITALOT@AOL.COM
City and State: HAWTHORNE, CA.
Class: 1980
Message: Sorry people but I can't keep quiet about the 'recent graduate' dialogue. Hawthorne High has changed and not for the better. I have two kids going there and speak from experience when I say that ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is a large part of the problem as well as some sorry excuses for teachers. When there are more than a few students that have trouble speaking english and a teacher or two that can't communicate clearly the simplest of instructions (in english), what do you expect? Since these problems are becoming apparent to the state (according to my kids HHS did not meet 10th grade student competency test requirements this year), the govt. will step in. To my recollection, this has never happened at HHS and would not have if things were managed better. Kudos to those folks who stepped up to address this very important issue. There are those of us who know that this IS a serious matter.
PS: If you understood all of these words, congratulations! you speak english.
Well said, Ken, thanks....

Name: Jim Pasternak () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 13:44:15

Email: backdraftco@hotmail.com
City and State: Ladera Ranch, CA
Class: 1968
Message: Re: Comments by Mr. Kelly and Mr. Bach:
First, thank you for your comprehensive and eloquent expression of your thoughts. You're to be commended for presenting your respective, well-founded views in a respectful and professional manner. I respect the "Recent Graduate" for opening himself up to the kinds of responses he deservedly received and I wholly understand his reluctance to identify himself in his note. Possibly he is aware of his "unsubstantiated insecurities" and slightly embarrassed to place his signature on such "victimized" weeping of social dissatisfaction. Possibly the "Recent Grad's" input, clout and well-directed leadership in the community could improve the existing situation in Hawthorne. Further, it is my hope that he humbly stands corrected and opens himself up to the remarks put forth by the above mentioned responders. He actually writes pretty well and could be the kind of individual who could effectively share and impart the information and viewpoints learned here with others who may hold the same types of persecution complexes he does or did hold prior to this meaniful dialog. John, you have a solid subject here and one which is probably more inspiring to your readers than the "party spots and kissing corners of the '60's." Again, I applaud the authors of the two, logical replies.
Respectfully, Jim Pasternak...(Polish-American) and Retired,NBFD
PS- I normally read and rarely write...but I couldn't pass on this.
Thanks Jim...

Name: Jill McFarlane () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 13:06:31
Email: jmcfarlane99@sbcglobal.net
City and State: Mission Viejo, CA
Class: 1977
Message: Not to change the subject, but how bout them Dodgers!
I like'm.....

Name: Neil Andersen () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 12:27:07

Email: sumerset@aol.com
City and State: Dallas, OR
Class: 1962
Message: You'll have given "recent graduate" the facts in a very intelligent way. I'd just like to tell the Panty wearing Communist to take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
Now it's getting personal.... I'd just like to say that we all have our "Hawthorne". We've all grown up in different eras and my 50s/60s Hawthorne is not the same place as my parent's "Hawthorne" or Recent Grads "Hawthorne". Hawthorne evolves; we stay the same.
I'm sure Recent Grad, when he's my age, will look at Hawthorne the same way I do now, and say, "It's just not the same as when I grew up".

Name: Cindy Colby () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 11:35:49

Email: cindycolby@adelphia.net
City and State: Seal Beach, CA
Maiden: Maxson
Class: 1963
Message: Wow, Larry, David and Karen, Too bad you don't have an opinion on 'Recent Graduate's' post. You three can speak for me at any time on this subject, nothing I could post would add to what you have said. Thank you all. Cindy

Name: Karen LeMaistre () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 11:00:02

Email: klemaistre@aol.com
City and State: Hollyglen, CA
Maiden: Masters
Class: 1972
Message: I am in complete agreement with David Kelly and Larry Bach. My Grandparents were immigrants to this country in the 1920's. They were a proud people that loved and respected the United States. Both spoke fluent French but forbid the use of anything but the English language outside of their home. They worked hard and taught that work ethic to their children who became successful, proud Americans. My grandparents would surely roll over in their graves if they saw the use and abuse of this country's generousity by these illegal immigrants. Ok...I'll step down off of my soap box now!

Name: Gary Poltash () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 07:20:23
Email: gary@propertytaxadvisors.com
City and State: Manhattan Beach, CA
Class: 1973
Message: To Wade Greasby: My thoughts are with you and your family in these tough times. It was a very moving day yesterday. I'm glad I could be part of it. Please focus on those two great kid's.
Your teammate, Gary Poltash

Name: David Kelly () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 00:23:58

Email: dkelly@ppld.org
City and State: Spring time in the Rockies
Class: 1977
Message: In response to the recent graduate: I have spent quite a bit of time researching the current issues of the changing demographics of these United States. Take a look at Pat Buchanan's book "Death of the West", as it paints a fairly accurate picture of these changes.
I do not feel that anti-immigration or anti foreign language sentiment is the cause of most of the problems mentioned by the recent graduate's post. It's my humble opinion that the root of the problem is the lack of enforcement of current immigration laws while illegal immigrants cross our borders at record levels. The illegal immigration issue naturally leads to the anti-immigrant and foreign language sentiments. If we did not have such a large influx of illegal immigrants, and those who do immigrate, do so following the legal processes in place, then I feel we would not be having this discussion.
On another note, we need to stop hyphenating our ancestral culture to the word American. You are either an American or you are not. It's that simple. I as the vast majority of Americans descend from immigrants to America. I descend from Scots/Irish, English, Welsh, German, French, Swedish, Norman, Spanish, Choctaw, Cherokee,Chickasaw and Powhatan bloodlines and cultures. My most recent European ancestors immigrated to the colony of Pennsylvania in 1747. They spoke german. In my ancestors diary, there is an entry written in 1787 which proudly announces that he nor his family will continue to speak the German language. He writes, "We are Americans now and Americans speak English, We speak in German no more. We fought for the birth of a new nation and now we have a new motherland"
I have no problem with those who choose to continue to speak in their birth language. But I ask that they show respect to America, the country they've immigrated to by learning the English language and by abiding by its laws.

Name: Larry Bach () on Friday, April 22, 2005 at 00:07:59

Email: Startnofyr@socal.rr.com
City and State: Torrance, CA
Class: 1972
Message: I hope the faculty at HHS didn't teach "Recent Graduate" that "...an anti-immigrant and anti-foreign language sentiment is what is causing most of the problems in California and in Hawthorne." Apparently "Recent Graduate" didn't learn that over 25% of criminals serving time in California prisons are illegal immigrants. To keep these foreign miscreants locked up costs the taxpayeres of California a good deal of money. How is this major crime and budget problem in California caused by "anti-immigrant and anti-foreign language sentiment"? Neither has "Recent Graduate" been educated that County hospitals and ancillary facilities are operating under extreme deficits, with some curtailing services and at least one County hospital in jeopardy of closing altogether because of non-paying illegal immigrants overwhelming the public health system. How is this major public health and budget problem in California caused by "anti-immigrant and anti-foreign language sentiment"? I bet "Recent Graduate" also didn't learn at HHS that a major part of the budget problem California faces are directly related to the last governor's approval of hiring 46,000 new state employees during an economic recession while state revenues were decreasing. How is this and California's other serious budget problems caused by "anti-immigrant and anti-foreign language sentiment"? When I've gone to foreign countries and try to speak their language it shows respect. Even when spoken badly, the attempt to speak their language has always been appreciated. Those who come here and expect the rest of us to learn their language or to accomodate our culture to theirs shows great disrespect. It isn't "anti-immigrant and anti-foreign language sentiment" causing the problems here, it is ILLEGAL immigration that is causing many of the problems in California. Dear "Recent Graduate", go to El Camino and take some remedial classes to bring you up to speed with the rest of us so you can earn your way to prosperity like an American and stop whining and pretending you're a victim. John, I guess I really don't have an opinion on the matter one way or another.

Name: LEEROY FELDERRUSTER () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 19:52:18
Email: ain't got no idee
City and State: Fayettsvill, ArKansas
Class: 1957
Message: wats a dern white plight? Isa hates ta ben ignerent.
I think that's what you and Beulah did at your wedding.

Name: John Rout () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 19:48:10

Email: dabully2@msn.com
City and State: Cerritos, CA
Class: 1963
Message: Hey John, there was a drive in on Vermont south of Artesia, The Vermont Drive In. Maybe that is the one. It is now a housing tract.
Yep, there's another one. Hope this helps, Dave

Name: Janene () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 19:34:02

Email: itsmaxsmama@yahoo.com
City and State: Corona, CA
Maiden: Porter
Class: 1973
Message: I have been here and there and I feel I have lost touch with all classmates. I would love to hear from anyone who may remember me.
Hi Janene, please add yourself to our Alumni List. I'm sure your classmates will contact you.

Name: Beverly () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 19:17:25
Email: bagisc@yahoo.com
City and State: Folsom, LA
Message: I am not a graduate of your school, but I found this site quite by accident. I felt compelled to let all of you know that were friends with Laralee Bergstrom that she will forever live in our hearts because she will live on in our precious LCpl Chris LeBleu. This Marine is a remarkable young man. His family and all of us (The Marine Moms of Louisiana) want you to know that your dear departed friend and her family will always be remembered. We all know that it was so unfortunate that she had to die to save our Chris. Our hearts break for this, but just to let you know that she does live on in a fine young man.
Hi Beverly, I am very proud to say Laralee was a friend of mine in school. She was just that kind of person and know right now she's very happy to have helped this Marine. Thank you for your comments.

Name: Debra McGregor () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 16:15:39
Email: Debratmcg@aol.com
City and State: Lancaster, CA
Maiden: Lee(shouldastayedLee)
Class: 1972
Message: I haven't checked into Cougartown for awhile. I am saddened by the news of Wade's wife. Wade, please know you are kept in so many prayers. May you feel God's strength and peace at this difficult time. Love to all you Cougars out there ...

Name: Recent Graduate () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 16:12:55
City and State: Hawthorne, CA
Class: 2003
Message: In Response to Bob Faulkner's comment on the change of demographics in Hawthorne:
When I was in HHS I did hear of when the school was totally different (predominately white) and how the city itself was different; but, I don't think it should be linked to how many people "don't speak English" or that "immigration is out of control." Things have changed in the city: there are more Hispanics, African Americans as well as Asian Americans and there has been a white plight in the city.
The changes in demographics in Hawthorne are reflective of the changes that are occurring in California as a whole. Having an anti-immigrant and anti foreign language sentiment is what is causing most of the problems in California and in Hawthorne.
Of Course things have changed in Hawthorne but reading this comment has disturbed me as a current resident and recent graduate of HHS.
I don't normally add feedback from people who hide behind anonymity, but this one I'll add. It might start some conversation to this otherwise DEAD page.

Name: Cindy Colby () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 14:12:51

Email: cindycolby@adelphia.net
City and State: Seal Beach, CA
Maiden: Maxson
Class: 1963
Message: Can I get some info on that car show? What time does it start and where do they hold it. I want to come over and check it out. Hope to see some Cougars there. Cindy
It's on Main St in Seal Beach between PCH and the beach from 10am to 3pm.

Name: David Neuschafer () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 13:57:23
Email: Dendan2@aol.com
City and State: Vista, Calif.
Maiden: Leuzinger
Class: 1959
Message: JB...This has been driving me crazy lately so I figured I'd better come to the expert to get the answer...Wasn't there a drive in theater on Rosecrans down near Western or Vermont at one time? Maybe my mind is playing trix on me...Help me out, would you? Thanks!
Hey Dave, Don't remember one on Rosecrans. Maybe you're thinking of the Roadium on about Crenshaw and Redondo Beach.

Name: Kelley () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 12:45:18
Email: surfbabe@charter.net
City and State: Englewood,OR
Class: 1967
Message: Wade, Doris couldn't have said it better..I also feel I know you..I'm so sorry for your loss...My thoughts are with you and I also send a hug to the entire family..Love Kelley

Name: Don Burns () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 11:26:51
Email: burnslockATyahoo.com
City and State: Downey
Class: 1957
Message: Hey Cougs, hope everyone has a chance to come to the Seal Beach Car Show on Sat the 23rd should be around 450 beautiful cars along with my Green 64 Bird. Later Don
I've been before and it's a fun event, Don. I'll see you there.

Name: Reuel Callahan () on Thursday, April 21, 2005 at 10:56:10

Email: reuelcallahan@ao.com
City and State: Bullhead City, Az.
Class: 1965
Message: John, I haven't submitted anything to Cougartown since we moved to Az., but I heard about Wade Greasby's loss and I wanted to say how sorry Linda and I were to here the news. Wade our prayers are with you and the boys. God Bless.
Reuel and Linda Callahan
Hi Reuel, Glad you're back in Ctown.

Name: Marilyn Ross () on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 22:05:59

Email: mlr922@hotmail.com
City and State: Garden Grove, Ca
Maiden: Wisham
Class: 1956
Message: For all you alum from classes of 54,55 and 56. The reunion photos that were online from J W Party pictures that could not be zoomed are now fixed. I simply E-mailed them and they fixed the problem. Now you can see the faces up close. Now if only I knew who they were.
I too have pics of the 54-55-56 reunion, if I ever get a chance to add them.

Name: Sandy Cervantes () on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 19:36:37
Email: lifesadance@hotmail.com
City and State: Beeville, TX
Message: Really nice web page. Needed for timecapsule info for English research project. Nice to know what was going on the year I was born (1964).

Name: doris () on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 13:44:11
Email: dorisjeanATmindspringDOTcom
City and State: Twin Falls, ID
Maiden: donaldson
Class: 1957
Message: AW GEE! Although I don't know you, Wade Greasby, I feel as though I do, just from reading your feedbacks in Cougartown! To you I send my heartfelt sorrow for the loss of your wife. Just know I, along with many others, are praying for peace of mind in your life during this difficult time. A big hug to you, my friend Wade. doris

Name: Barbara Duran () on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 09:29:43
City and State: El Segundo, CA
Message: Wade & family, I'm sorry for your loss

Name: LeRoy Cannefax () on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 00:41:43
Email: lcann44@aol.com
City and State: Redondo Beach
Class: 1971
Message: Hey there gang. John I have not signed onto Cougartown in awhile, although I am still shown as a member. Sending you a check John, you sure deserve it.
The site updates (like the alumni list) reflect the effort involved in managing a site year in and year out. I had a good time checking out the other sections of the site. The search engine is fantastic. Tributes is touching. A lot of people I know have been lost. My brother is on the list.
What would we all do without you? DAMN you do an outstanding job of making it easy for all of us to stay in touch. Just felt moved to tell you THANK-YOU, JB Check on the way!
LeRoy Cannefax HHS 71?
Hi LeRoy, Glad you're back enjoying the website. Sorry I haven't kept you up to date too. I guess I need to send out gentle reminders at dues time. Lots of people (me too) just forget to do it. Thanks for the nice words and for the dues. It IS appreciated.

Name: D.R. Paul () on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 at 22:40:12
Email: dragonpaul@peoplepc.com
City and State: West Jordan,Utah
Class: 1966
Message: I moved during 7th grade at Dana. But I attended Cabrillo, Peter Burnett, Anza and Dana. I graduated from Lennox, but remember my friends from Hawthorne area. I hope some remember me. My brother Bill (62) and sister Penny (60) Hope someone remembers them. We lived at 5153 W. 133rd St.
Hey DR, I'm sure someone will remember you. Thanks for checking in.

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