Page 518
Hawthorne Time and

Hawthorne Weather Report

Home | 60's Slang | Alumni List | Car Talk | Cougar News | Feedback | Hangouts | Memories
Recollections | Reunions | Street Scene | Teachers | Tributes | Vietnam | What's New | Keyword Search

Another Early Classic. The Chordettes

Add Feedback

Name: Dean Morris () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 15:55:11
City and State: NoCal
Maiden: Quotes out of Context Good for Laughs Yet Seldom Enlighten
Class: 72
Message: Here is Dana Gioia essay on Being a California Poet. I think some of you may be jumping to quickly to the conclusion that Mr. Gioia has trashed his roots. "Being a California Poet" was included in The Geography of Home: California's Poetry of Place, an anthology which featured poems and essays by California writers. Christopher Buckley and Gary Young, editors. This anthology features four poems by Dana Gioia, including "Planting a Sequoia." "A California poet almost inevitably feels the competing claims of language and experience. I am a Latin without a drop of British blood in my veins, but English is my tongue. It belongs to me as much as to any member of the House of Lords. The classics of English, Shakespeare, Milton, Pope, and Keats, are my classics. The myths and images of its literature are native to my imagination. And yet this rich literary past often stands at one remove from the experiential reality of the West. Our seasons, climate, landscape, natural life, and history are alien to the worldviews of both England and New England. Spanish, not French, colors our regional accent. The world looks and feels different in California from the way it does in Massachusetts or Manchester—not only the natural landscape but also the urban one. Our towns are named Sacramento and Santa Rosa not Coventry or New Haven. There is no use listening for a nightingale in the scrub oaks and chaparral. The reality of California doesn't fit the poetic archetypes of the English tradition. Our challenge is not only to find the right words to describe our experience but also to discover the right images, myths, and characters. We describe a reality that has never been fully captured in English. Yet the earlier traditions of English help clarify what it is we might say. California poetry is our conversation between the past and present out of which we articulate ourselves. I was born and raised in Hawthorne, California, a tough working-class town in Southwest Los Angeles. Hawthorne was also my mother's hometown. (Her Mestizo father had fled his reservation in New Mexico to settle on the West Coast.) My father's family had immigrated from Sicily at the turn of the century and gradually made their way west. Surrounded by Italian-speaking relations, I grew up in a neighborhood populated mostly by Mexicans and Dust Bowl Okies. I attended Catholic schools at a time when Latin was still a living ritual language. Having experienced this rich linguistic and cultural milieu, I have never given credence to Easterners who prattle about the intellectual vacuity of Southern California. Mine was a rich Latin childhood, a mixture of European, Central America, Indian, and North American culture, in which everything from Hollywood to the Vatican had its place. My adult life has comprised equal parts of wanderlust and homesickness. The first journey, from L. A. to Stanford, still feels like the farthest since I was leaving the world of the working-class and immigrant family for parts unknown. Since then I have lived in Vienna, Boston, Rome, Minneapolis, and New York, but I always called myself a Californian. I always knew I would return. In 1977 I went to New York with my girlfriend (now my wife), planning to stay two years. We remained for nearly two decades. In 1996 we finally returned to live in rural Sonoma County. It is too easy in our society for an artist to become rootless, but I believe that it is essential for some writers to maintain their regional identities, to speak from a particular place and time. What a pleasure and challenge it is to speak from California."
Dana Gioia

Name: doris () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 15:16:22
E-Mail: okiefrompinoke
City and State: yes
Maiden: donaldson
Class: '57
Message: HERE! HERE! I too am from the midwest originally, Illinois and Missouri, and some of the nicest people ever! GEE JOHN! That LEON FOLDENRUSTY doesn't have anything on you ... at least I kin unnerstan you! GEEZ! I think this Geeoia guy is gonna be tarred and feathered and run right outta Haytown! Good on you Hoodman! Go git that ther guy COUGARS! Sick 'em!
Aw heck, I like the guy allright. He was just shocking his readers a bit. I think Dana will be a fine poet for the country. Better'n Leeroy I reckon.
You go Dana. All us okies and mexicans here in ugly old Hawthorne are backin' you 100 percent. Make us proud, boy.

Name: Robin () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 14:26:11
City and State: RB,CA
Maiden: Haytowner
Class: 1960 HHS
Message: 44-33 was the score John , and when did you resume you alliance with the Trojans..after the game? :o)..Its not over yet for the best Pac10 team 8 years running .....And what a great world series!...Re: Chris Prewitt's post.....Chris, I believe that "dust bowl okies and mexicans" were Mr.Gioias references to Haytown...And his point is ? I for one, am damn proud of my folks Kansas/ Missouri, and my wifes Arkansas roots. This is what the Hawthorne I grew up in was made of. The same Hawthorne that welcomed the Gioia family as well....But Ill bet they were never referred to as the "grape stomping, taco bending people next door" ...This guy may be the next Robert Frost, but I doubt it. If trashing your home town is a prerequisite in attaining this chair, I hope Serra , Stanford and the present administration are proud. I'll take Hawthorne High , El Camino and Hawthorne politics any day.....I don't plan on winning a popularity contest with some of the 70s peeps here, but then my status was never higher than "dubious" with brother Ted anyway...Later Cougs..PS..Get well soon my good friend Jim Sloey and we'll go out for a good ole' "Nebraska supper":o)
Well golllllee geeee and I just cain't wait to kiss my cuzzin if I hain't back in Haytown agin!!! Yeah, I'm glad to hear my Texas/Missouri family bush didn't drop the IQ of the town but only a cuple a points. My poor Pa worked for that northrope airplane company his hole life and did pretty good too. no they didn't let him fly them things but not two many of em crashed and he was areal prouda that. with all them mexicans and okies arunnin wild itsa miracle there was anything left for them Gioias people ta live in. YEEEEE HAWW!!!!
And Robin, 44-33 was the score but it wasn't really that close.

Name: howard "Paco" Duran () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 13:37:57
City and State: Lake Forest
Class: '61
Message: Have you noticed how the Oregon schools have such pretty teeth? Must've gone to the DENTIST!!
Doris got me thinking about "Skippy"s", they had 2nd best shrimp in the world...I remember a little diner on the west side of Hawthorne just south of Broadway, you could get a bowl of mashed potatoes and gravy for .15 cents, what memories..

Yep, the Buckys and the Duckys gottem polished by the Carson Palmer Dental Group.

Name: Dean Morris () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 11:47:21
City and State: San Francisco, CA
Maiden: This 'n that
Class: 72
Message: Pop Quiz re Emmitt Ashford- Wasn't he the first black umpire in major leagues and was known for his brash style?
Re Greasby and Cal Bears- Did my brother, a Cal grad, put you up to this? Last Cal t-shirt I wore was on the famous play when Cal beat Stanford and took out the band on the final, rugby style touchdown.
Sue King- Thanks for the ol' shot with me and Dave Sayad at the sandlot. Brings back memories of good times with the 133rd St gang and "some of the greatest baseball ever played" using tennis balls and a 45 ft mound. We played out every World Series, learned how to switch hit and take a high hard one from Bob Gibson. Please send a copy of the pic to my private email if you do not mind.
To Barry Bonds bashers: No doubt he will never win Mr. Congeniality award, but neither would Ty Cobb, Pete Rose or even Joe DiMaggio (an arrogant, elitist man who had no time for his down and out son). If you are a baseball purist, you have to enjoy a guy who can hit a ball 500 ft so often. (FYI, I used to boo the SOB at Candlestick when he would not run out his ground outs.)
Have a great day, Autumn is here and it is middle of football season, beginning of basketball and the end of a boring governor's race between Gray and Bill. Write-in Sloey for Gov!

Name: Chris Prewitt () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 11:01:06
City and State: Fullerton, CA
Class: 1967
Message: I don?t think that the Dana Gioia that people remember is the same one that I found on the WEB In an interview on his WEB site: he says, ?I was born and raised in Hawthorne, California - a working-class town set in the middle of Los Angeles' megalopolitan sprawl. The town was a mix of Mexicans and Okies with a few Irish to run the police and politics. Most people worked in the airplane factories for Hughes and Northrop. Hawthorne was extraordinarily ugly in the cluttered, haphazard way of factory towns, but it did have gorgeous Southern Californian weather, and the beach was only twenty minutes away. We were poor, but the weather was free. Since no one we knew had much money, we never considered ourselves underprivileged.?

I talked to brother Ted, and Dana attended Serra High. Also I think there were a few Okies and Wops running the Police and politics too.

Name: doris () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 10:39:07
E-Mail: yes
City and State: yes
Maiden: donaldson
Class: '57
Message: I have to tell you it was MARVELOUS to see the Angels take the series! NOW ... back to HAWTHORNE ... Wasn't there a SKIPPIES on Hawthorne Blvd just behind Hawthorne Intermediate? Was that SKIPPIES or something else? And when did Roth's Market become a market of another name ... what year? GEEZ! I loved that old Roth's Market ... everyone was so friendly. And when did Chaney's Department Store go out of business? Come on old timers ... I know you can give me better nostalgia than this ... John? Robin? GAWD! Is there anybody as old as I am out there?!!! hehe Hit me with some nostalgia Denny. How about it, Dan?? MARILYN!!! Nostalgia, please!!!! :-D
OK, I agree, now that the Angels have done it, the Sports Bar is Closed.
Skippys was on the SE corner of 129th and Hawthorne Bl. I would say it was our FIRST fast food place. Hamburgers were 19 and fries were 15. It was later called Biggies, and even later, GNG's. I don't remember when Roths Market was turned into a bank, but probably in the mid-60's. Thanks Doris for changing the subject.

Name: Cheryl Lundquist () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 07:02:36
City and State: Valley Center, CA
Maiden: Baumgardner
Class: 1969
Message: Hi! Just saw the picture of the Vol. Fire Dept. What a cool picture! Just got back from visiting my folks at the Colorado River, they are vacationing for a month there. They should be heading home Nov. 1st and I'll try to find out what the occasion was. Third from the right is my Dad Paul Baumgardner and sixth from the right is my Uncle Jack Baumgardner.
Jenny Jorgenson thanks for the news about Robert Rael, our hearts go out to you and the whole family. The Rael family were our neighbors on Cedar for many years, we had lots of good times.
I'll e-mail you. See ya!

I KNEW there had to be a Baumgardner in there somewhere. Thanks Cheryl.....

Name: Alan Nelson () on Tuesday, October 29, 2002 at 06:50:14
City and State: Parker, Az
Class: '73
Message: Now that Baseball is out of the way, we can look forward to College Basketball. I hope you all can notice who's at the top of the rankings. GO WILDCATS. ARIZONA #1.

Name: Dan Johnson () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 21:51:58
City and State: Sherman Oaks
Class: 77
Message: I have no virus -- that's a forged sender.

Name: Cindy Colby () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 19:54:16
City and State: Laguna Hills, CA
Maiden: Maxson
Class: 63
Message: Yea, what Jill said. It really bothered me to see a 3 yr. old in the dugout, especially when one of the guys crossing home base had to grab him by the shirt so that he didn't get squished by the guy behind him. I haven't always been a fan of the Halos, I have always loved the Dodgers, but those were some of the best baseball games I have ever had the pleasure of watching. I am really happy they have the recognition they deserve. Barry who?
Yes, I too agree that a World Series game isn't the place for a nursery school. I guess when one of the SF tykes stops a screaming liner with his face, then baseball will do something. The Angels waited to win it before bringing out their little leaguers.

Name: Susan King () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 19:25:44
City and State: Halos Heaven
Maiden: Bierman
Class: York - HIS - HHS - 1974
Message: Well, the Los Alamitos Griffin at my house is one happy Angel Fan. He has been a loyal follower for about 33 years.....Now we can all relax! I'm sending you a photo of Deanie Morris as a Cougar baseballer - likely was taken in 1972 so you can see the boy has had his roots in the game for quite some time. He's hanging out at the game with Dave Sayad '71 . Anyway Dean, sorry about the loss - the upside is that when the series goes the full 7 games, then we know the right two teams were in it! And next time John, you two need to play for Pink's dogs, that way everybody wins!!
YES, a platter of Pinks dogs to the victor of the next World Series..... and what the heck IS a Griffon anyway? Isn't that shoe polish or sumpthin'?

Name: EL & IDA () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 19:06:49
E-Mail: I-DY-HO
City and State: YOU KNOW
Class: 60/61
Message: It's very ironic that while on vacation in Calif. last month that Royal Lord and his lovely wife Patty and Jude and I, got to attend an ANGEL game, the first major league game that JJ and I have seen in 35 plus years, (thanks to Rich and Mary Sloan) against the Oakland A's and the division race was at it's height. That the ANGELS would some how go to the World Championship! I told you Royal that "we was good". And Lucky for those Halo's. You can't beat being with Baby Jesus and Crew! Boy did we steer em right!!! YEA, YEA, YEA, ANGELS!!!It's kind of funny that I had to turn the volume down on an baseball game because those thunder sticks were so loud. Whats also ironic was that a few of those ANGEL'S came through Boise on their farm team, the Boise Hawks (now a Cub's affiliate) Garret Anderson, John Lackey and as a matter of fact, Troy Percival, who was a catcher in his debut up here. Another captivating story from our recent trips to Calif., JJ just got back from San Jose (do you know the way), and came home today with an autographed baseball from a gentlemen named Emmett Ashford! Ok you Coug's, who is he and what was this man's niche in history of professional baseball? MAY THE COUGAR BE WITH YOU! Jake N Jude.
If she got an autographed baseball from Emmett he had to have autographed it about a quarter of a century ago cause he's been doing games in the REAL Angels stadium for years.
I remember him in the old PCL and man did he have style.

Name: Betty East () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 18:28:13
City and State: Thousand Oaks, CA
Maiden: Wright
Class: 74
Message: A GREAT BIG THANKS to Alan Nelson for helping me find my dear friend, Anne MacMonagle. She and I just got off the phone and we're planning a reunion soon. Cougartown is AWESOME!
That's what we like to hear.....friends reuniting with friends. Have a great time Betty and Anne, and thanks for sharing.

Name: Enza Nicocia () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 17:30:52
City and State: SoCal
Maiden: Seventh Heaven...
Class: 72
Message: I read this in the L.A Times this weekend, and it brought a smile to my face: "Another NoCal team seemingly on the verge of its first championship. Another SoCal team comes from the depths of despair to stay alive. Was that Robert Horry I saw shooting a three-point shot for the Angel's Saturday Night?".. and..."I'd like to thank Barry Bonds for NOT being a team player. By being conceited and aloof, he doesn't just assure you of a home run, he assures you of a defensive blunder or two. Can't get hurt, can't get dirty, and best of all, CAN'T GET A RING!!! (I don't imagine B.B is walking SO tall now~huh?) :-)
Come on Enza, don't hold back. Say what you really mean.....

Name: Wade Greasby () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 16:46:57
City and State: Surf City, Ca
Maiden: Morrisinabearshirt
Class: 73
Message: Dean, How about wearing a Cal Bear shirt and send a photo to CT? I wouldn't wear a Spoiled Child shirt either. The Angels and Giants should be commended for their non-trash talking, get down to basics ball playing. Both teams worked hard to get to the series and played very well. The Fox network should take a called strike three for their broadcasting team. They suck. And why run a beer commercial during the post game celebration? Fox got what they wanted, a seven game series, so let the fans enjoy. Congrates to Dana G. I think he and his family lived next to my grandmother on Hawthorne Way. His dad owned and ran Michaels Shoe Store on Hawthorne Blvd. Sloey, if your up to some pancakes about 5:30a.m. any morning, I'll stop by. Enza, Enza, Enza, "PooYa". Have a Halo Day, Cougs.
Hey Wade, no need to put the bad mouth on the Trojans. No one's trash talkin the Overtly Useless guys here.

Name: Dean Morris () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 15:06:07
City and State: San Francisco, CA
Maiden: Who Minds Waiting Another Decade before the next World Series?
Class: 2012
Message: If only Dustiny mattered more than Destiny or cute little children in the dugout provided more winning charm than silly simians on a stick. If only we had more than 2 starting pitchers and the bullpen did not choke in Game 6. If only our manager would have used his brain rather than his heart in selecting a Game 7 starter, If only we had not ran out of gas on Saturday night after the Rally Monkeys set off a miracle comeback. If only we were a little younger team, we might be able to make it better by saying wait until next year, you'll get em again. But those are the dreams of the losers; sometimes you only get one shot at all the marbles and if you miss, well that's it and there ain't no more chances. The Magic Kingdom and the Heavenly Halos won this year for the 'ol cowboy in the sky. You know what 40 years of waiting means, so congratulations for getting the monkey off your back(irony intended). Now please go out and get some real starting pitchers to go along with your first class team so you can repeat next year!
El Gigante Orgulloso
PS to JB- Check's in the mail for a t-shirt of your choosing. Buy an Angels shirt for yourself, but spare me the ol sweaty Trojan shirt, I'm a Bruin and a Cardinal, so I'd never settle for University of Second Class gear!
PPS- I'll take the Fighting Irish over the Trojans. Now that will be a game!

See, you bad-mouthed the Angels and now you're bad-mouthing the Trojans.
Keep the Tshirt money, Dean. You wouldn't wear what I'd pick out for you anyway. Being from here, I know you must've been a Dodger-Angel-Trojan fan once in your life. When did you stray? And as far as that University of Second Class remark goes, How about STANFORD--- Support The Angels New Farm Organization....Right Dean

Name: Janet Burkett () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 14:27:29
City and State: MV
Maiden: Humphreys
Class: 62
Message: YES!! WE DID IT! What a great thing for the Angels, Anaheim and Orange County! The streets of Anaheim were really alive last night, lots of fun for all. And...YES...believe in the power of the Rally Monkey! Although John, I think you are liking that little guy just a bit too much I'm afraid...I'm glad I took him home with me!

He's a happy little guy, ain't he?? I don't think you should be the one to keep him over the off-season, as he actually likes me better. I'll pick him up later.

Name: Jill McFarlane () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 13:33:33
City and State: Mission Viejo, CA
Class: 1977
Message: What a great series! I am so happy for all you true, die-hard Angel fans, who have believed in your team since the days of Fregosi, the Nolan Express, Jim Abbott, Gene Mauch and others. As a die hard Dodger fan, I was just glad to see the Giants get theirs, especially Barry Bonds (who?) Who else was offended by the question on their online poll, If the Angels win the series, should Barry Bonds be the MVP? What a stupid question. It was a great series, the Giants gave the Angels a run for their money, but it was good, clean series, and the best team won! By the way, I won another $50 from the office pool yesterday, so the Cowboy must be smiling down on me too!
I remember my first favorite player for the Angels. I think they got him from the Senators......Albie Pearson. That was WAY BACK when.

Name: Jessie () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 13:15:09
City and State: Los Angeles, CA
Maiden: Corral
Class: Wanna be Cougar
Message: HAPPY BIRTHDAY today to my dear friend Sharon Netherton!! I can still remember what great birthday parties she had when we were young.

Name: Gary Lents () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 12:41:15
City and State: vista
Class: 67
Message: Seems Dan Johnson has picked up a's titled "on Mouse" virus scan caught it though...

Name: Jessie () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 11:51:04
City and State: Los Angeles, CA
Maiden: Corral
Class: '74 but a different school
Message: WAS THAT A GREAT WORLD SERIES OR WHAT!!! Now that's the way baseball should be played all the time!
Hey Patty, thanks for the good word. John, sorry I went on and on, but I guess I wanted you to know that I am worthy of writing. I am just a wanna be cougar.

Hey Jessie, Glad you're here and have found some old friends. Feel free to add to this forum anytime you want.

Name: Carol Galbrecht () on Monday, October 28, 2002 at 09:44:42
City and State: Torrance, ca
Maiden: Drulis
Class: 1977
Message: Peggy It was nice seeing you at the BSF retreat this last year. Would love to have your e-mail address to stay in touch. God Bless You, Carol g

Name: Patty Valencia () on Friday, October 25, 2002 at 18:33:33
City and State: PVE, Ca
Maiden: Eucalyptus, HIS, HHS
Class: 1974
Message: How funny that Jessie has to explain her connection to Cougartown. Cougartown is so steeped in my Hawthorne roots that I remember Jessie well from her days at Eucalyptus and forgot she didn't graduate from Hawthorne High. We reconnected through Cougartown and until now the distinction didn't occur to me! Hey Ted, you're impressin' me in our old age! As for the World Series, I thought Scioscia and Baker were still players :o).
Hey Patty, You may be caught in an LA Dodger lagwarp.
HOW ABOUT THOSE ANGELS!!!! What a series. It should've been over in Game 6 as the champagne was bubblin' in the Giants locker room about the 7th inning, BUT NOOOO, the Angels grabbed their rally monkey and went to work. Now they're WORLD CHAMPS.
Congratulations to the Angels and Mike Scioscia and the Giants and Dusty Baker for a great West Coast World Series. A couple of ex-Dodgers come back to put on a great show for the baseball world. I loved this one and I know Tommy Lasorda loved it too.
OH, and Dean, what size USC T-shirt will you be needing?

If you have comments or suggestions, please email me at