"More 50's Classic Do Wop on the way" "The Corsairs"
Name: Howard Duran () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 17:52:40
City and State: Lake Forest Ca
Message: Remember Marge the bus driver?
Name: Sandie () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 15:04:45
Message: Western Surplus on Hawthorne Blvd.
Name: Portegies, Arno () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 14:02:58
City and State: Houten The Netherlands
Message: It has been several weeks since I last checked in to cougartown and what a time to check in. All this talk about the car show. Don't get me wrong talk is good and all your concerns are genuine. But this is one of the reasons I'm glad I live in Holland. First art is objective. No one can say what is and isn't art. But that's not the problem here. Take it from us Dutch, sex and nudity should be a healthy, normal and pleasurable part of life. I wasn't at the show but I can't believe that real pornography was depicted on those cars. If that was the case then the organization should have forbidden these cars to take part. But I don't consider the silhouette of a sexual position that I myself might use as pornagraphy. It might not be suitable for my 7 year old to see, but as a good parent I should be able to devert my childs attention long enough that they don't even see the car. If they do see the car, most young children don't even know what they are looking at. At least not if you don't hang around long enough to spark your childs interst. And if your child is old enough to know what they are looking at then its time to take this as a message that your parenting has now gone into another demension, SEX !!!! We all have our own way of dealing with this subject in our childs upbringing. One thing I can tell you is that it's essential that you talk to your child about sex. Teach them to respect their own bodies and that of another. Wishes and objections should also be taught to be respected. This is all easier said than done, but ignorance is not the answer. Which brings me back to the car show. Don't forget how it was as a teenager. Don't be a hypocrite and forbid your children to take part in things which you yourself find (or found) interesting. We here haven't forgotten. Children can go to several different places to get help and information about sex, but luckily it's most often offerred by thier parents. And with all this openness Holland has achieved the lowest amount of unwanted pregnancies in the western world and at the same time a teenager here becomes sexually active at a much older age than anywhere else.
Name: ElizabethGoddessofmygarden () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 14:02:00
City and State: hot&sunyredondo
Message: To Loretta Cuiper, Thank you for your feedback. It's good to know that the people in charge of the car show now know what to do in the future shows at HHS to avoid offending anyone. The school is old and like any old building that is used daily by hundreds of people it needs some work. It's not an impossible task. One of the things I noticed while on my walk-about was all the planters that have dead or half dead plants in them. I think they've been there since 1958. Paint peels on old buildings, plants die and plumbing needs repairs and upgrades after 40+ years. The kids at Hawthorne are good kids. It's easy to drive by and make a judgement about the kids there based on what the school looks like. We're very busy, us humans, judging each other by how we look or how we speak and write, by what we believe and what church we go to. I don't want the students at Hawthorne judged as 'less than' because the school has failed to maintain a clean and safe campus. I hope the money raised at the show will help make our old school a little better, and YES, I, for one, will be getting involved with the board of education and the school administration. I hope everyone who cares anything about our kids and the future of Hawthorne High will speak up. Now, I'm on my way to San Diego to tell Zorro he's the "ONE". :)
I love you guys! The Rowdy Goddessofaonemanshow!
Name: Reuel Callahan () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 12:23:10
City and State: Westlake Village, Ca.
Message: Hi everybody, I know most of you will not remember me & I am not much of a soap box person but enough of the porn. Everybody has their own opinion but the one thing we should all know is that, no matter what, it does not belong in PUBLIC! Anyway this weekend we should be thinking about our friends from Hawthorne High who lost there lives i.e. Roy Ryse, One of the most generous friends I have ever known and Tim Thomas, one of the nicest and greatest athletes I will ever meet. Well enough of my soap box. Everyone have a fantastic rest of MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.
Reuel, Exactly...... I think we've beaten this porn subject to death. Let's get on with the positive side of Feedback, Hawthorne, and HHS.
Name: RealMan? () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 12:08:08
City and State: many
Message: Can the person who said real men don't watch pornography, please described the realman. And please don't say the obvious (husband, father, etc.) cause that is a cop out and a false one at that. Cause I have never met (and I have met allot) a man who at one time or another watch porno or looked at a magazine or stared at a hooker walking down the street. So, to use your metaphor "real men" there are none. What is a real women? Is it a women who doesn't get excited when they see Brad Pitt, John Travolta, Kevin Costner or whoever and they're MARRIED. Please tell us all what makes a real man so that (if it's not to late) can start working on it.
For starters, a real man or woman is the one who's got the guts to put their name on their FEEDBACK!!!
Name: Kathy Frankforter () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 09:08:13
Maiden: Tom's Wife
City and State: Redondo Beach
Message: John, I hope you don't mind if I add my two cents to this message board. I've written several articles to the Daily Breeze and they have been published and, I do write letters to my Congressman. I've read many of the posts here regarding how HHS looks and how it has deteriorated. Much of why this has happened has much to do with the lack of respect these kids have for property. Drugs also play a big role! You know where this all begins? At the voting booth... People bitch and moan about what is going on yet they vote for these idiot politicians who have "Extreme" liberal views. Case in point, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and Maxine Waters... California has gone down the tubes, big time! It's turned into one big cesspool. We, the voters can make the difference. We need to put the heat on these politicans and start demanding more. I'm a native Californian and grew up in this area and I see a big change and it's certainly not for the good. How long has Maxine Waters been a politician? Do you see ANY great changes in the inner cities? Oh sure, she says she cares...Words mean nothing..Actions mean everything! Values and morality have just gone to the wayside and why shouldn't they? We have a President who acts like he's an MTV DJ instead of the leader of the "Free World"...I remember growing up with good role models and let's face facts here, what good ROLE MODELS do these kids have now days? I'm telling you, it starts at the voting booth..and getting active! Demanding more from these politicians that we elect! I was shocked to drive by HHS with my husband who attended the school and see the huge fence aurrounding it. To me, that's sad. Looked like a prison. Drugs are affecting our kids as well and we need to stand tall and do something about it. Re: The Car Show and Porno..What more can we expect out of these kids when many of the adults who run this country HAVE no morals or values? There's something to ponder....
Thanks Kathy, I agree, and can add no more.....
Name: Stan Bosler () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 09:07:48
City and State: Torrance, CA
Message: TO EDDIE BRAUN, E me when you get a your computer up. Would like to chat.
Name: Keith D.Jones () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 04:04:35
City and State: Las Vegas, NV
Message: I'm loving this. Besides the obvious, is there anything on a porn movie that any of of us hasn't done at least once and some of us many times. I always thought that porno was sex which makes sex porno (according to some here). Allot of hypocrites (?) here. I agree that children shouldn't be exposed to sex till at least their late teens (if I had it my way) but I am reading allot of "I's" here which mean that you as an adult can't handle what has been around longer than any form of freedom in history. Sex has been around from the beginning (dah) and it will always be here. Live with it or live without it. If you chose the later, be prepared to play with your friends kids or adopt. Like someone else said, the promoters and organizers of this event are responsible not the people who exhibited. If you are a person who is looking to sell his vehicle or get the attention of voters to win best of show you need all the help you can get. And it looks to me like they achieved their goal and they received allot more attention than they expected. Well all for now and this could go on forever. And can someone explain to me the difference of the naked women on the nose of a jet and pictures of naked women now. Has the female body changed in those years. And what constitutes naked art. Is it the position the girl is in or is it the background or is it the way she smiles or is it the tan lines or is who does the art. Has anyone seen Herb Ritts work. Are you telling me that what he does is porno. John, this is great. This subject has brought allot of us alumnus together again. Hopefully we will all learn that the birds and the bees might have been on to something. Oh well back to Sesame Street. Hey Dad you should'nt have waited till I turned 35 to teach me about sex, I mean porno, no I mean sex, no I mean porno, I mean sex, ah heck I'm still mixed up.
Name: Bruce Robinson () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 02:38:08
City and State: Olympia , Wa.
Message: Hello everyone , isn't it great to be alive in the USA !!! I love this country and my old HHS . It is hard to believe it has been 32 years since I have seen any of your faces ! I'll be turning 50 next month which is even more amazing. " Wow I Feel Good " Catch some Surf for me , Bruce
Name: Christine Baird () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 02:03:07
City and State: Round Rock TX
Message: Hi folks....well, well, well....doesn't just everyone have something to say about the car show. I wasn't there, and I didn't see, but I do know that if something upsets me as much as this seems to upset so many folks and especially Sharon, I am of the mind to not just voice my complaints to ones who can do little about it, but instead I take action. I would make a point of contacting the person or persons, or sponsers of the show and let it be known that such displays of questionable art should have no place at a school function, and chances are I wouldn't stop at just one of the sponsers but would make a point of contacting every sponser of the car show. In addition I would probably get signatures of as many as I could that took the same stand as I did, in this case as Sharon does. But of course she is a smart woman and probably has already got the wheels for this in motion. ") That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it! Oh, and by the way Sharon....I'd really rather not ever see men displayed in this fashion, but thanks all the same.
Name: Sherry Wingo () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 00:45:36
City and State: Haw. Ca.
Message: One positive note about the car show. It was great being with everyone and seeing the schoool. Such as it was. I liked the dedication to Kye Courtney and the Academic Hall Of Fame. They had plaques for the students who received 4.0 for 4 years. Their names were on them and the year they graduated. They went back to the 50's, to the present. My daughter-in-law was up there, so yes, I was especially proud. She didn't even know about it until I told her.
Name: Connie Carver () on Sunday, May 28, 2000 at 00:11:54
City and State: Hawthorne, CA
Message: In scrolling through the feedback pages, I thought I would share what my 6 year old said when he saw a 'mural car' "Mommy, why do they want to have nakie people on their car? That just isn't right."
He'll help his dad hang the flag out on Memorial day and we will spend time talking about why we take this day as a day to remember what our servicemen & women have done. I figure if I can get it into his head now, hopefully he will have a healthy respect for authority as he grows up.
Now, in my opinion, there's a 6 year old that got the correct start in life. Maybe he can come on down and ask that question to the owners of the porn mural cars. Thanks Connie.
Name: Kristi Pealo () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 23:39:16
City and State: NAS Lemoore,CA
Message: Hello All! It has been a long time since I have checked in. I joined the work force again, and loving it. It is nice once the kids go to school!!! Where is the class of 89. I never see anything about the class of 89. Oh well. Ronda I miss you!! Hello Mom and Terri and Stacy! If anybody is in the area of Naval Air Station Lemoore come get your hair cut from me. I work at the base Beauty shop!!! Could use some more clients! Take care John. Check is in the mail for the membership.~~ Kristi
Thanks Kristi, Nice to hear from you again.
Name: Cal McDougal () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 23:18:15
City and State: Enterprise, Alabama
Message: I have been watching with some concern the plight of one of our favorite people as she struggles with the question of identity. Judy DeGrazia Blomsterberg is a wonderful name that brings up all sorts of ethnic images. Here though she tells us that she doesn't know which name to drop. Perhaps Jan can help...Perhaps not, he is deeply in love and probably could not care less.
Here is my unrequested, probably unwanted and certainly unqualified suggestion... Judy DeBlomster. Has overtones of Degrazia and Blomsterberg but it is not too long, not too short and not too cute.
Good thing I am clear across the country and out of range of canned food artillery.
Thanks Cal, It's better than DeBlograzteriaberg I guess.
Name: Sharon Branigan () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 21:40:59
City and State: Thousand Oaks, CA (city of safe library computers!)
Message: I will start believing that pictures of naked women are beautiful works of art, just as soon as I start seeing pictures of naked men displayed in the same venues. Until that happens it's just a bunch of horny guys with no class and tiny "bubbles" who are desperately trying (but miserably failing) to appear to be big men. Real men don't need to resort to displays of pornography to prove their manhood. And on CARS, no less??? How Freudian can you get??? Besides, don't you all remember the famous "artist" who said a can of Campbells Soup was a work of art? How about the "artist" who peed in a bottle, dropped a crucifix in, and called THAT a work of art? Just because YOU say it's art, don't make it so. I don't want that garbage in my face, and MOST especially, in a public place. And I've had a bee in my bonnet for years over the Disney heroines who all have big boobs, wispy waists, and big batting eyes. Thank GOD I have a boy-child!
Name: Loretta Cuiper () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 21:10:23
City and State: Hawthorne, Ca
Message: It is a week now and the car show is still a big topic. I do agree the nude ladies and the rap music did not belong at a school site especially knowing there would be families with little children at this event. I said it before, this was a mistake, Im sure if next year there is another car show, the rules will be inforced. The art work that is seen on the cars that have the sexy ladies that is acceptable, but not the Nude gals. There were alot of people who had worked for months to put this car show together, there is alot of hard work getting a show like this together. I believe they should be thanked for trying to get the community to come together an work for our schools. Money made at this event will go back into the school, which is the biggest issue here, Those couple of things that went wrong with the show was bad, but a Car Show can be fixed with a simple rule or two for the next time around. Everyone is concerned about the car show, but Im getting on a very Large Soap Box to say, our main concern should be our school. I have been saying we need to clean up, fix up and do what we can to make HHS look good. we need to instill some pride in our students again, and our community needs to come together and let the district know they want to see more done to HHS, plumbing, the continuation of painting the buildings, cleaning certain resource room, add windows for cross ventilation and there is alot more, but this is what should be our concern. Im on this soap box to ask for help, please send letters letting the distict know how you felt seeing your school so shamefully run down. My question before was how did this happen, Now I want to know how can we make the place look better. Please get on the band wagon and let them know how you feel. I know John this is to be a happy zone, and it is a fun place, but it has been brought up several times on how bad our school looks, and all knows this money is to go back into the school, so lets see if we can get our money to work for our schools again
Name: Susan King () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 18:27:05
City and State: Thousand Oaks, CA
Message: Hello all and Happy weekend. Just got home from the annual event organized by my baby sis to honor local fallen servicemen. Sharon arranges 100 or more cub and boy scouts to assist the local American Legion post in placing flags on the graves of all servicemen and women who are laid to rest at a beautiful cemetery nestled in the hills in Camarillo. On Monday there will be a memorial tribute and ceremony there in honor of the nations fallen and so we have a special opportunity to pay our respects. If you do nothing else this weekend, take the time to remember those who paid a very high price. And follow it up with a prayer for eternal peace on Earth. And as I told you last year, EARN that very special gift given you by those who gave their lives.....
Name: steve tamburrino () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 10:29:34
City and State: carlsbad,ca.
Message: pound and penny market
Pound Penny Market was on Prairie when I was going to 1st grade at Hawthorne Christian, and is still there. It's got to be one of the oldest businesses with the same name left in Hawthorne along with Phils Bike Shop.
Name: Gary Nelson () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 09:01:45
Message: Re: Wayne Dickey. Low Rider Magazine defines porn as "the depiction of erotic behavior (as in a picture or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement". I go to a lot of car shows, trash like that is never invited and is always asked to leave. Why didn't the HHS promoters take that stand, or did they agree with Mr. Dickey that "porn" is art. Mr. Dickey is wrong but the blame starts at the top with the HHS show management. No wonder the kids of today get mixed messages.
Name: Raymond Smith () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 02:30:04
City and State: Portland, OR
Message: Hey John, I'm with you 100% on the Porn subject. It's pretty sad to hear that kids are allowed to do stuff like that by their parents. Here in Oregon I have yet to see something like that. Does geographic area have something to do with it? I know when I had Family Living in my Senior year and we were taught in a way to respect the opposite other just as they respect us. I do hope the tools are still being not only used but the class should be required to be taken by all or you don't graduate. My next question is this, does the World War II aircrafts that has nude women on them be considered distasteful? I collect Airplane models and some of these has artwork on them. I had a bad incident that my ex-wife daughter got ahold of my book of nose art of World War II and somehow I almost got the crap knocked out of me because of mis-information. I guess I could of been thrown in jail first and then prove my "Not Guilty".
Hey Ray, I don't think Nose art would come CLOSE to what I saw last Saturday. I've seen the Nose Art book BTW. Very impressive and no, I wouldn't call that porn at all.
Name: Gene Prizer () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 02:27:34
City and State: L.A., CA
Message: Can't think of any specific message, except that I was made aware of this web-site from Petey Smith last week. Thanks Petey...I hope to visit Coos Bay again...it's been over 25 years... Hello to any 26ers and even the cool ra ra chicks...Sorry TBlazer fans...Lakes in 6 or 5...still sailin' and clickin'
Name: Keith D.Jones () on Saturday, May 27, 2000 at 00:34:43
City and State: Las Vegas, NV
Message: Well, been reading the different opinions on the porno issue. First of all, I think it's pretty safe that allot of us wouldn't be around if it weren't for porno or what it represents. I'm not for or against porno. I know when I'm with my daughters and something about sex appears in the movie or on TV I feel very weird. But, I also know that sex it part of life and without it there would be no life. I think it is pretty safe to say, that any man alive or half dead that see's a beautiful female body whether naked or dressed sexy doesn't have certain illusions going around in his head. The same goes for women. Have you ever seen how women react to male dancers, they make men look like priests. I've been to many strip clubs (mostly for research or meetings :))and I have never seen men yelling and screaming as women do. I worked as a bouncer at Club Rockza, Hawaii's most popular strip club and never men act like women do. Remember that we are born naked, if god or nature wanted it another way we would be born with Levi's on or covered with a thick coat of fur. I think that porno shouldn't include naked bodies but maybe inappropriate or not normal sexual inuendos (?). Animal stuff really is odd (sorry Leroy). Since I wasn't at the car show I don't what type of pictures were shown. Were they nasty pics showing acts of sex or just naked bodies. I hope that all this controversy isn't about naked bodies. Cause if it is just naked bodies be prepared never to take your children to beaches in Europe or even some shows here in Vegas. And, keep them out of P.E. Wasn't Venus De Milo naked. I guess it's okay if it's an amputee uh. (Ha,ha,ha). Anyway's folks I had to say something cause I haven't written in quite awhile and I feel I getting out of touch. Of all the bad things that happen in the world and in our communities, a naked picture is near the bottom of the list. Also, was the porno at the car show forced into the faces of people. Or was it displayed so that if you didn't want to see i
Keith, No, it wasn't just naked bodies, and I think you have sex, naked bodies and porn all mixed up. Email dad Sloey and see if he can't straighten you out on the birds and bees, porn, and Venus DeMilo.