I've been in this town so long that back in the city
I've been taken for a lost and gone
An unknown for a long long time Our Boys
Name: EL ROJO & IDA () on Thursday, April 8, 2005 at 08:17:48
Email: jakejude@ aol.com
City and State: Kuna(Home of the Kavemen) ID
Maiden: JakenJude
Class: 1961
Message: John I'm writing because...well because we haven't missed a hundred page since this thing began. We just want to say how much fun its been for all these years and the tons of great story's that all have shared. Thank you Mr Bake for making it all possible. But if it hadn't been for my obnoxious writing we might still be on 650. LOL! Hope this makes the PAGE. MAY THE COUGAR BE WITH YOU. Jake N Jude.
Hey Russ, Thank YOU for adding to the mix. It's been a fun time for me and lots of Cougars out there. Let's keep it going for at least another 700 pages.
Name: Raymond Smith () on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 08:11:54
Email: Kawabunganorth@juno.com
City and State: Portland, OR
Class: 1981
Message: Talking about wild goose...what was the other name of that strip joint that was around the block from it? Jet strip? I went in there one time and saw a fellow classmate of mine... but SHE was on the other end of the rail! Surprised surprised....but we were cool about it. Funny....I met her in my class in the 7th grade! I guess she needed college money.....lol small world indeed.
Name: Bob Clobucker () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 23:16:34
Email: obucker@aol.com
City and State: Reno Nv.
Class: 1973
Message: Ah, The HPD. Could tell you all many stories from humorous to ugly. I knew Sgt. Williams and Tom Bigelow. Only went to the hoosgow at the hands of the Lennox Sheriffs and the Santa Monica PD however. Could've been more beefs elsewhere but got lucky I guess. Nothin serious just old fashion fun. Speaking of sin and degeneration, after HHS did anyone out there hang out at the Wild Goose on Aviation & 116th? Was a popular haunt of Haytowners 21 and up back in the day. Particularly those of you who were working in the airline- airfreight-aerospace industries back when. Was a favorite of all us truck drivers at LAX back in the 70s. BC 73
I cashed my check there when working at Hughes in the late 60s. They'd cash your paycheck for the change part of your check. I was salaried at the time and my check was the same every week, something like $121.01. So I got my check cashed for a penny. I'd stick around for a 4 dollar pitcher and leave. Name: Howard "Paco" Duran () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 22:03:05
Email: doo4usc@cox.net
City and State: LF
Class: 1961
Message: Jimmy Peppers, you cracked me up with the get away story. Knowing the people envolved makes it even funnier. Some of you younger Cougs might not know but Brian Wilson was one of funniest guy you would ever know! Go Dodgers!!
So were Kathy and Sandie...
Name: Britt Stonebraker () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 19:57:07
Email: thatbritts(at)yahooDotCom
City and State: San Marcos Ca
Class: 1978
Message: I was really starting to feel bad for you poor innocent young people who were so abused by Fred Moore Until I read the Peppers story! Hoodlums The whole lot of you I say! We in the seventies never partook of such shananigans
Yeah RIGHT!! Well cruising the boulevard was gone by that time, along with both A&Ws, Frosties, and maybe Tops in Inglewood. The Wich Stand had suspended car hop service, so there was no where to show off your car. What on earth did you guys do besides drugs. Name: Walter Holt () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 16:30:08
Email: wholt48@socal.rr.com
City and State: Surf City, CA
Class: 1966
Message: Sorry Sir Robin You'd have to label this ones name as Knotugg... I guess I wasn't fortunate enough to have a run in with the HPD as fortunately we never got caught but that didn't mean I didn't run into it elsewhere with at one time 25 tickets in three months in 5 states. I do remember the highway patrol racing their cars on the 405 fwy when it was being built then they would lay in wait for anyone else that tried to race on it. For all other of you drag fans today I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to a legendery racer of today's world at John Wayne Airport, none other than nitro funny car champ John Force. What a dynamic personality he is. I guess I'll see you all at Pinks on the 30th.
Hey Walter, Thanks for checking in and see you at Pinks.
Name: Robin () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 13:24:44
Email: RHood10542.aol@com
City and State: Monrovia
Class: 1960
Message: Harry Plotkin, they should dock your PERS check for allowing "entertainment" like that. That girl looks like she has been around more than a drum in a clothes dryer. I would much rather see Kathy Brooks doing her Southern Indiana high school cheers. As my late father in law used to say..."She cant help it if she's ugly, but she could have stayed home"....
Hey Robin, Guess you too haven't been to her website. Name: dean karels () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 11:05:35
Email: dkarels@sbcglobal.net
City and State: tustin
Class: 1965
Message: hey paco wasn't there another leigh family member named buttugg? moore stories; i had an old 48 chev slammed on the ground and he busted me for my steering wheel but he was trying to date one of the car hops at the A when i worked there and i told her of the ticket well the date never happened because of that ticket but he never bothered me after that.
I'd like to hear from some women who were sweet talked by Moore, Delberto or any other HPD at A&W or anywhere else. It seemed that Fred had his head stuck in lots of girl's car windows, and after 40 years, just want to know what his line was. Thanks....
Name: Jim Peppers () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 11:02:51
Email: JimPeppers@yahoo.com
City and State: Athens, Greece
Class: 1961
Message: All this talk about the Hawthorne police reminds me of a nightmarish night I spent with Brian Wilson, Kathy Tift, and Sandy Tully evading the Hawthorne police. The four of us had been drinking a lot. Brian was driving and all of a sudden there were the red lights behind us. Brian did some fancy maneuvers and we were off. He stopped the car suddenly and Sandy, Kathy, and I got out and started running. I dove into some tall ivy at first. I never did find out what Kathy did, but Sandy hid in somebody?s garage. The people that lived there came out and demanded to know what she was doing. She gave some smart answer and we headed back to the car. I think Brian took us home then, but can?t be sure. We were running on 90% alcohol and 10% blood. Ah yeah, those were the days! Jim Peppers
Hey Jim, sounds like a typical early 60s Hawthorne weekend to me. Name: Mike Riley () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 10:45:40
Email: mikercarolynr@yahoo.com
City and State: Mountain Home, AR.
Class: 1965
Message: Fred Moore got me one night on Hawthorne, I was in the slow lane with everyone going by me. Dad said Moore only gave tickets to kids and old laidies. Dad worked for the city of Hawthorne then, and new Moore. My only ticket and didn't get in trouble for it. Thanks Fred!!
Hey Mike, That's pretty much how I saw Fred too. Bob Reagan HHS62 has a story about Fred Moore in A&W one night. Tell it Bob.
Name: Bob Jensen () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 10:09:22
City and State: Los Angeles
Class: 1971
Message: Does anyone know the whereabouts of Wilbur (Bill) Mason.
Name: Baxter Dodd () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 03:45:34
Email: baxterldo@aol.com
City and State: Riverside, CA
Class: 1957
Message: Another member of Hawthorne?s finest in the late 50s was Jack Potter. We attended the same church. He had the bad habit of giving kids only warnings without hassling them. That behavior got him called in on the carpet more than once where he was reprimanded for not writing enough tickets. Instead of turning into the usual egotistical psycho with a God complex he quit the HPD and became a Brinks driver and was a lot happier. On the other hand there was Tom Bigelow. He was the type that could write his own mother tickets or arrest her for not having updated license plates. He was a plain clothes sergeant for a long time and made lieutenant or higher before he died of heart trouble several years ago. I had a run-in with him when they changed the direction of traffic through the ?A.? What a night that was. But that is another story. . . Baxter
Name: Baxter Dodd () on Thursday, April 7, 2005 at 03:09:49
Email: baxterldo@aol.com
City and State: Riverside, CA
Class: 1957
Message: WOW, John, Look!! It is almost page 700!! I can hear the fan-fare and drum roll starting right about now!!! Congratulations, John!! Thanks for your dedication to keeping it all alive... Baxter
We're getting close to another milestone. Thanks Baxter and thanks for adding to the fun.
Name: Paco () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 22:42:13
Email: doo4usc@cox.net
City and State: LF
Class: 1961
Message: I knew the Leigh family well, there were 2 other gals in the family, Ugg and Home..Barbara was the nicest looking..
Funny, REAL funny....I see you haven't been to barbaraleigh.com yet
I don't know how she could've been a Cougar though as she was 19, and married when she moved to LA. Her date of birth is 11/16/46 so that would fit.
Name: chris prewitt () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 21:52:59
Email: cjprewitt at juno dot com
City and State: Fullerton, CA
Class: 1967
Message: John, If Barbara Leigh is the person I found on the WEB (barbaraleigh.com). I hope that someone knows how to run a defibulator...
Yep, That's her all right....and they say us old Cougs don't still have it. Name: EL ROJO () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 20:20:08
Email: jakejude@aol.com
City and State: Kuna,ID
Maiden: JACOBSEN
Class: 1960
Message: Everybodys talk about the PD in all of our cruzin area is , what can I say , a kick in the tail-lights. Never got a ticket by any of our local PD, except El Segundo. Ran my Roadrunner up and down the blvd quite abit from 68 -70. What I always loved was when you would pull up to an intersection and there was nothing but rubber for a hundred feet or so at every stop light on the blvd. It always tickled me. I tell that to friends now and they can't believe it. Another police story, after the two El Segundo police officers were shot and killed, my mom was the Identi-Kit artist, she drew the sketches of possible suspects of the crime and was still working there when the gun was discovered years later in a back yard south of El Segundo blvd that was the weapon. I wish she was still alive when they finally found that SOB. It was a devastating thing to that PD. I had about 5 or 6 of my close friends from high school become PD back then. And yes Pat, Jim Crawford was one, Bruce Johnson, Jim West, Jim Perry, Bob Allen and on and on. Most of its fun to remember..MAY THE COUGAR BE WITH YOU! Jake N Jude.
Others I recall were Marlin Stapleton (Mike Shay's Fred Moore), Merle Syle (sp), Pinkie, Sergeant Williams, John Delberto (another Fred Moore), Doug Geller, Vince Schiavi, Officer Glass, and the guy who was Mayor, I think, and had triplets in his family, and others that the names are no longer available in the grey matter.
Name: John Baker () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 19:25:14
Email: jb1@you-know-where.com
City and State: Lomita, CA
Class: 1962
Message: Here's a picture that I received from Harry Plotkin. Her name now is Barbara Leigh (could've been different at HHS) and said she went to school with Brian Wilson, so she was there between 1957 and 1963. She's an entertainer and is performing for the CA Retired Teachers Assn. this month. Does anyone remember her minus the goatee? Sorry about the picture quality.
Name: Dave Goodman () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 18:32:54
Email: dgoodman@infoway.com
City and State: Marin County, CA
Message: I've posted on Flickr a satellite photo of my old neighborhood at Crenshaw and Imperial, with notes you can move the mouse over to read my comments on various sites.
http://flickr.com/photos/52466442@N00/8634383/
(By the way, I sure miss BBQ Pete's. He gave me the cole slaw recipe once, and I still make it the same way. Anyone remember Henry, the rooster? The diner scene in Pulp Fiction reminded me a little of Pete's.)
Thanks Dave, Actually the diner scene was filmed about 35 blocks south of BBQ Petes.
Name: al murphy () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 17:50:57
Email: pops83217@hotmail.com
City and State: Idaho
Message: Hey John maybe I got my information wrong from Red Hayes but he told me that the great F. Moore passed away a few years ago.{could be someone else, but dont know who would claim to be him!!} Myself I never wrote too many Drag tickets as I liked to watch them .Ha! Ole Freddie liked to write the easy C.S. tickets. Hey Britt, yes I did work Motors with your Dad. He was a lot of fun to work with and a Great guy. Also worked a plain unit with him at one time. Did he ever tell you about the city fountains in the south bay? someone always was putting liquid soap in them. Wonder who? was it you or your Brother that I would play chess with? Well, have a good one and feel free to E-mail me anytime. Al Murphy
Hi Murph', Too bad about Fred and yes, he did write those "out the south end of a hen" tickets.
Name: Adrianne DeAlejandro () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 14:14:06
Email: addy57@msn.com
City and State: Cerritos, CA
Maiden: Longpre
Class: 1963
Message: My mom worked 40 years for Rockwell. 12 of those, she was a VERY BUSY reservist with the Lennox Sheriff's Department. She became one tough woman seeing all the action, and then bringing it home with her. I know that's why I never got into trouble with the law, because of her threats if I ever embarrassed her. They were a tough crew.
Name: Cindy Colby () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 14:09:11
Email: cindycolby@adelphia.net
City and State: Seal Beach, CA
Maiden: Maxson
Class: 1963
Message: Gees, I remember Groves Market really well, you could get a huge dill pickle from the barrel for a nickel. As for the candy store next door, I agree that you were watched closely but it was Mrs. Soloman who did the watching, she was always yelling at the kids, Mr. Soloman on the other hand was one of the nicest people I ever met, I have good memories of taking my pennies and getting a bunch of candy, he always gave me extra when the Mrs. wasn't watching.
Name: Neil Andersen () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 13:36:56
Email: sumerset@aol.com
City and State: Dallas, OR
Class: 1962
Message: From another of the "WestSide Kids", my mother-in-law worked as a checker at Groves market. Groves was a store where you could practice shop lifting, they were always too busy to watch, compared to the little five and dime next door, where you were almost strip searched everytime you went in. The magazine "Black Silk Stockings" fit well inside a $.15 cent Saturday Evening Post, as well as a couple of comic books. As long as you held the Post and showed him the cover, without the Post leaving your hand, it was a fairly good deal, as far as theft goes.
Black Silk Stockings?? Sounds racy.....
Name: Jill McFarlane () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 13:07:15
Email: jmcfarlane99@sbcglobal.net
City and State: Mission Viejo
Class: 1977
Message: Hey JB, maybe you should have another space on your website called the "HHS Alumni police blotter" :)
I never had any run in with the HPD, or El Segundo, but those Lennox Sheriffs were a pain in the a--. As for the El Segundo police department, Dan one of our own classmates is, I think a high ranking officer, our own Walter Krumbach. I saw his name in the OC Register a few weeks ago. Can't make Pinks, but looking forward to the golf tournament!
Actually when all was said and done, I deserved most of my tickets and stand behind all the local depts. Just a few individuals I didn't think were fair, at that time. Of course looking at it from their side, I was just another teenager with a drivers license and an attitude.
Name: Barney McArdle () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 12:17:35
Email: barney.f.mcardle@boeing.com
City and State: San Antonio, Texas
Class: 1958
Message: Here's one to test your memory, for those who lived in the area. Do you remember "Groves Market" on Inglewood Ave., near the corner of 120th, and the night that Mr. Groves shot himself in the head in the Men's Room, in the market? I was at the door when it happened and when I heard the shot, I left. I think it was around 1954/55, but not sure.
Too far back for me, Barney....
Name: Dan Johnson () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 12:00:56
Email: wch1ispinkATaolDOTcom
City and State: Istanbul not Constantinople
Class: 1977
Message: I'm sure that Dan Dye, upon seeing Hawthorne on a driver's license, would not have a knee jerk ticket writing reaction! I find it curious that a place where I've spent less than 1% of my life has supplied 100% of my traffic tickets. Either I turned into a scofflaw upon reaching the border OR those officers didn't like my long hair (no longer a problem) and Pink Floyd bumper stickers (still grappling with this one!). I did go to some raging parties at the Oddfellows Hall in El Segundo, however.
THAT'S IT!! Pink Floyd and long hair in El Segundo WILL get you cited. Name: Cal McDougal () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 07:01:18
Email: themcdougals@centurtelDOTnet
City and State: Enterprise, Alabama
Class: 1962
Message: Traffic cops and speeding tickets, we were rebels weren't we. I delivered for the El Segundo Chicken Delight store for about 18 months starting in late 1962. Never had any trouble with any police department except one LAPD officer who had a bead on my Morris Minor Traveler. I think he took it personal. One time he followed me (without lights) off Imperial into El Segundo right into the parking lot where I worked and told me my car was too light to stop and I shouldn't drive so fast (top speed about 65). I had good brakes, Pirelli tires and an attitude. So I told him it would stop quicker than his cruiser. He offered to bet paychecks, his vs mine. We were setting up the details of "the test" when my visions of wealth were dashed by his partner who physically dragged him away. When I had an accident on the eastbound lane of Imperial at Sepulveda he refused to write it up (a driver turned left in front of me and I hit her). Seems LA came to the center line and El Segundo city limit was 7 feet north of the south curb. My accident occurred in LA County, which doesn't patrol there. El Segundo wrote a courtesy report. Oddly enough my LAPD buddy had ticketed me on the south side of Imperial. Selective law enforcement, sometimes a good thing, sometimes not so good.
Hmmm too LIGHT to stop....now isn't there some law of physics that says you can stop a Morris Minor in a shorter distance that a Passenger Train? Thanks Cal...another great "Local Police" story.
Name: Baxter Dodd () on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 at 03:35:56
Email: baxterldo@aol.com
City and State: Riverside, CA
Class: 1957
Message: Ah yes, Officer Moore? I was called in to be a witness when a complaint was filed against him for his treatment of a couple of my buddies one night. Moore and partner were parked in the center lot on Hawthorne Blvd across from Food Giant watching the cruisers. My buddies made the big mistake of looking at them as we drove by. Then we turned on 131st street and parked about half way up the hill in front of my house. Just as we were stepping out of the car, here came Moore and partner going about 60 mph, siren, lights, skidding on past us. By the time they rolled back to where we parked we were out of the car walking across the street towards the front door. Then the fun began. It got so bad that my dad, who was standing out front by now with our neighbors, came off the curb and got in Moore?s face to ?Stop mistreating these kids? and ?Keep your hands off of them.? Moore threatened to arrest him if he did not get back on the sidewalk. Moore did back off after he saw he was being watched. However, he had the lying gall to give my buddy a ticket for doing 50 in a 25 zone and having a light out. What a joke. And you should have heard Moore lie his a-- off at the complaint hearing but he got reprimanded and nailed for some things he could not lie his way out of. Also you should have heard the Judge laugh as he dismissed the tickets. I have other - or should I say, I have ?Moore stories.?.... Baxter
Well whattayaknow.... and you folks thought I was making this stuff up. Great story Baxter, I have a couple moore, but I'll save them for later.
Name: Dan Johnson () on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 at 23:55:39
Email: wch1ispinkATaolDOTcom
City and State: NOT El Segundo
Class: 1977
Message: Ya know, the Hawthorne PD was down right civilized when compared to the Lennox Sheriffs who patroled Del Aire & El Porto (before it was annexed) and the El Segundo PD. I saw Lennox jerkoffs break up parties with night sticks breaking beer bottles in kids' hands -- way to teach responsibility guys. El Segundo PD? Make sure you don't get pulled over with an address other than El Segundo -- I've received 4 traffic tickets in my life ALL from El Segundo PD -- including one for speeding ON A BICYCLE. Let's just say I still get nervous when we have those CT events at the Stick n Stein. I didn't gain a ton of respect for authority from my interaction with the Lennox and El Segundo "peace officers" (more like piece of ___ officers).
Now wait just a doggone minute, our own Dan Dye was an El Segundo PD officer. I have a story too about the El Segundo PD. Maybe I told this one before, but before my pickup was restored, I was cruising through El Segundo and got pulled over for only one taillight. I explained that the truck only came with one taillight from the factory. He said just a minute, went back to call some pickup expert, I suppose, then returned my license with, Have a Nice Day.
