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El Rojo, THIS is the one I want to know if you remember. Jesse Belvin
Name: chris prewitt () on Tuesday, July 2, 2002 at 00:36:20
City and State: fullerton,ca
Message: A lot of this rhetoric started because of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Pledge of Allegiance ruling. The way I read the 1st Amendment is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" It doesn't say anything about LACK of religion. Our country was established because of the founding fathers religious persecution not their lack of religion. http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/bill_of_rights/amendments_1-10.html
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. After the pledge arguments people started talking about "IN GOD WE TRUST" on money, stating that it only came out recently. It has been on money for many years it only recently became our countries national motto. http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html
In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated: I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST. The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.
A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States.
Now as far as people quoting their favorite Amendment, why do they only paraphrase it? Why don't they add "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"? Our government, both state and federal, now has a well regulated Militia so why should an individual have arms? . http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/bill_of_rights/amendments_1-10.html
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As for the war in the middle east if we would come up with some alternate to oil for fuel we most likely would not be there either.
Name: Linda Golson () on Tuesday, July 2, 2002 at 00:33:49
City and State: Garden Grove, CA
Message: I was born and raised in Hawthorne. Left when I was 15. But the memories of the years I spent in Hawthorne will be forever etched in my mind
Name: Susie"klink" () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 23:56:20
City and State: the Sandias are in my backyard,NM
Message: Bravo Wayne aka Impalawayne...you said it soooo well...
Name: Cougarball Lady () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 23:15:46
E-Mail: Get your Cougar Balls at firstname.lastname@example.org
City and State: cougartowm
Message: You go Wayne .....
Name: Ingrid Jones () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 21:44:12
City and State: USA
Message: For anyone who knew Mariella Domingo (Class of 1984) I recently was informed that her husband passed away due to cancer. She and her three year old son live in Barcelona, Spain and plans to return to the United States to be with her family. Her e mail address is Marielladomingo@hotmail.com
Name: Wayne Dickey () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 21:43:06
City and State: La Palma, Ca
Message: I have been reading everything posted here lately. I find it quite amusing, that opinions vary so much. I protested the Vietnam war, and watched, as many of my friends went there to fight. Was there a reason for us to be there? I've heard many different views. I here from people (class of 74) who weren't even old enough to understand the war, talk about protesting it (NOT). Please speak about what you really know. If you haven't lived it, then you can only read about it. And we know that books don't always tell the truth, right. I lost a lot of very good friends in Vietnam. As for the attack on the WTC, I again lost friends. Anyone that does not support President Bush's stand on terrorism should pack there bags and get the hell out of the US. We as Americans will not stand for terrorism in any form. So, you say 1000's of people have died in the Middle East since we have been over there. The terrorist are some really sick people. They don't care about their own people, or anyone else. I say, bomb the hell out of them, and bring our boys back safely. How's it going JOHN?
Well there's a different and interesting twist on the subject. Thanks Wayne and glad to know you're still out there dude.
Name: Janet Burkett () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 20:49:48
City and State: MV, Ca
Message: If I may get "unpolitical" for a moment.....It is July, and that means the class of 62's reunion is just around the corner! So, 62ers, there's still time to sign up. We are getting more and more people every day. Just send your check in to Linda and you're in!
Janet's right 62ers, let's go here. Time is real short. Just heard from William "Fred" McKay today and Joe Simpson yesterday. We're going to have a good turnout, so please get your money in SOON!!!
Name: Jill McFarlane () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 19:25:00
City and State: Mission Viejo, CA
Message: I have enjoyed all points of view expressed on feedback. I have agreed with all on one point or another. I feel the right to bear arms, should be a personal choice, just like saying "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Dan brings up a good point about the nuclear arms thing, where do you draw the line on what "bearing arms" mean? I was too young to remember the Vietnam War, the causes and why it is most of the American population harrased Veterans coming home. As for current events, I don't think "War" as been officially declared, more like an act of retaliation. I don't like it, because there is no real end in sight, however it needs to be done, our very life, and livelihood depend on it. Sometimes, with all the crazy events going on, I feel like I have awaken in a parallel universe. But I haven't, and in spite of everything, with all the stupid things that go on in the political arena, and day to day life, would I trade places with someone from another country? No way. I am grateful for what I have right here, right now. Now for the "name those eyes" I want to say Gloria Valencia, but whoever it is, they have pretty eyes.
No, it's not LV6, but thanks for your guess.
Name: Kathleen Griffin () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 19:03:29
City and State: San Pedro, CA
Message: Dean, we're all friends here. I haven't picked up any animosity from anyone (even those nice little emails I've been getting). John, I was really looking forward to the Reagon library (I always wanted to use the little girls room there)..... The new eyes look like Judy Bloomquist, she has the most beautiful eyes!
Kathleen, Nancy said to tell you, "there's no LITTLE GIRLS room at the Reagan Library."
As for the picture being Judy's....sorry, no.....
Name: kelley () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 18:22:44
City and State: Coos Bay, OR
Message: the mystery cougar sure looks like bartie graves...but as i see earlier on he was identified as tom graves..brothers they are...anyone visiting the oregon coast this summer, please drop into Cone 9 for coffee, i also work at Freddie meyers where you can find about anything for your vacation needs...see ya Kell
The mystery Coug WAS me, now it's someone else......
Name: Dean Morris () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 18:02:47
City and State: Napa, CA
Message: I know all of you are upset that Bill Maher has been cancelled by ABC and lack your normal outlet for politically outrageous discussion. However, it seems that lately CT is drifting into political and quasi-religious waters where the intolerant left and intolerant right clash unproductively and chase away all those in the "reasonable middle". Let's not take life too seriously and remember that not all Cougars are alike. It would be a shame if this site became either an all conservative or an all liberal talk forum. Let's welcome all views and practice a tolerance of differences, a quality which makes America unique in the world.
Hey Dean, No one is mad here and I agree, this is for HHS and Hawthorne stories, but feedback was getting pretty slow. This has warmed things up a little. Although I do PRAY for a Hawthorne story; until then, Jerry Garcia and Gloria Allred will have to do.
Name: Kathleen Griffin () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 18:01:24
City and State: San Pedro, CA
Message: Okay John, I'll play. The eye's look like your's. I don't know who the headshot is though....
The Headshot is the last one that was guessed (Tommy Graves HHS58), but YES!!! YOU GUESSED ME!!! GREAT somebody actually picked me. You win a free "I Like Ike" button and 10% off tickets for you and the Hippy to go see the Reagan Library the day Pat Boone speaks about "Liberalism the scourge of America"....JUST KIDDING!!!
Name: Kathleen Griffin () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 17:37:44
City and State: San Pedro, CA
Message: Lyman wrote:' "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Kathleen Griffin how far are you willing to go protect my favorite amendment?'
Lyman, That is one of the most precious rights we have as civilian citizens of this country. I'm willing to go to the wall (the latest memorial wall) if need be. The law was important to allow private citizens to defend (defend being the key word here) their own property and lives. I support the constitution Lyman, the entire constitution (including the Bill of Rights). Lately I've seen some erosion to those rights all in the name of Homeland Security (which I consider a joke). Thanks for asking!
So, does anyone know who the mystery Cougar is?
Name: Dan Johnson () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 16:52:08
City and State: Sherman Oaks, CA
Message: Lyman, a question just for grins. Do you think that amendment would apply to permit the people to bear advanced weaponry such as nuclear arms? Constitutional Law was by far the most difficult class in law school. Part of that was attributable to the fact that my professor was Anothony Kennedy, then of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Name: Lyman B. Moss () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 14:46:59
City and State: Everett, wa. 98205
Message: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Kathleen Griffin how far are you willing to go protect my favorite amendment?
Name: ERNIE SAMEGA () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 13:37:35
City and State: MANHATTAN BEACH
Message: That's the host's little or older brother the illustrious Tom Graves a former signee with the New York Yankees.
YES!! You are correctomundo. It's HHS 58 Tommy Graves.... Thanks Ernie
Name: Kathleen Griffin () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 12:38:30
City and State: San Pedro, CA
Message: This is just a reminder to anyone who was in the HHS Marching Cougar Band or Auxillary (or if you knew band people and want to reconnect with them) between 1970 and 1979, we are having a reunion and need to hear from you soon. Please follow the link at the top of the page to RSVP. Hope to see you on July 13!
Name: lyman b. moss () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 11:45:09
City and State: everett, wa. 98205
Message: I will let some one else try to identify the next mystery man, but I think his initials are T.G. O. K. folks you have until tomorrow before I make my input.
Name: Lyman Moss () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 11:08:49
E-Mail: lyman.b.moss@boeing .com
City and State: Everett, Wa. 98205
Message: Is the mystery man, Jim Reale Class of 62?
John I am with you and Doris.
YES!! It IS Jim Reale Class of 62, Thanks Lyman.
Name: Wade Greasby () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 10:32:01
City and State: Surf City
Message: Kim, I am sorry to hear about the loss of your mom. I am saddened, though I only met her a couple of times she always had a beautiful smile and a sparkle in her eyes. She will be in great company with Enza's dad and mine. My warmest feelings to you and your family. You have her smile Kim.
Name: Gomez () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 09:29:43
City and State: Salem, Oregon
Message: COULD THE MYSTERY COUGAR BE DANGEROUS DAVE HOBART? THE MOST NATURAL AND UNAFFECTED PERSON ON THIS PLANET.
HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU.
No, it's not Dave. Thanks for trying.
Name: Karen Kuehl () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 09:14:17
City and State: Templeton, CA
Message: Well, John you did it again! Joan (Bradford c/o 59) and Scott Nelson (c/o '58) have finally found Ctown as you can see by their recent contributions to Feedback. The c/o '59 Reunion Committee has been looking for these two for a few years now. Couldn't find them anywhere!! Then all of a sudden I get an e-mail from them telling me they live somewhere up in the Paso Robles area, that's where I've been living for the past 2 years. Then I find out that they own a home in Templeton, CA, that's where I live. Then they tell me to look out my window at a yellow house across the street from me and that turns out to be their next door neighbor's house!! If it hadn't been for Ctown, I never would've known my neighbors!! Scott is my first husband's cousin and introduced me to him in 1958. Well, yesterday afternoon the Nelson's invited me over for a bbq. Of course, I took my El Molinos and all the pictures of last year's reunions. We had a ball reminiscing about old times. This is what this site is all about! I love it!! And I love you, Maaaaan!! Thanks for all your hard work and bringing us all together again. What a trip!!
P.S. Update on Cal Kappen (c/o '59) who had a heart attack last week. I've been told he's doing well and is going in for evaluation on what can be done to fix the problem. Angioplasty or by-pass are the options at this time and will be decided later, probably, today. Keep the prayers coming for him and thank God he got to the hospital in time.
P.P.S: I know the answer to Scott's question, but I'm not telling!!! Keep on guessing Cougs!
AMAZING!! Now THAT'S close to home. Like I always say, "It's a small Coug...........well you know. It's always nice to hear about Cougs finding Cougs.
Get Well Cal. We'll be praying for a full recovery, and please keep us informed on your progress..
Name: Patti Smith () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 06:10:34
City and State: Cypress, CA
Message: Scott Nelson, I remember my brother Mike telling me about the antics at Disneyland, among them a box of Tide in the Albert Schweitzer Falls of the Jungle Ride (laundry detergents were very high-sudsing back then...people figured the more suds the better), and bluing in the moat around Sleeping Beauty's Castle. We could still see the blue stain around the castle 10 years later at my Grad Nite.
Name: Sherry Wingo () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 02:49:01
City and State: Haw. Ca.
Message: To Robb Russell - HUH - Don't get receiving the Bible as a reason to drop God from the Pledge of Allegiance. Also, to the student of the class of '63'. Yes, I agree Senior Square should stay right where it has always been.
Name: Enza Nicocia () on Monday, July 1, 2002 at 00:22:25
City and State: SoCal
Maiden: Go Dodgers!
Message: JB, I think I know who this "Mystery Cougar" is. Could it be....John LoCoco? What do I win? And, who posted this PIC of just his eyes?? (I have such a MEMORY.) John LoCoco~ where the heck are you???
Petey Smith sent this to us, and YES, It is John Lococo. Very GOOD Enza, and you win a free trip to Broadway and Freeman Av. in the beautiful city of Hawthorne CA. The Beach Boys grew up there, yahno, and thanks for playing our game.
Name: Marilyn Ross () on Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 23:14:01
City and State: Garden Grove, CA
Message: Actually I'm surprised Senior Square is still there. It was just a small square of concrete with I think a couple of trees? A few picnic tables. Did they ever enlarge it? I too waited 3 long years for the privilege of sitting in Sr. Square and I ate lunch there almost every day in my Sr. year. If it has survived all these years then it's an historical landmark! Or at least it should be. We didn't even have a cafeteria when I was at Hawthorne just a snack bar. I say save Senior Square, it's a 48 year tradition.
Name: Scott Nelson () on Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 23:13:56
City and State: Templeton, Calif
Message: Does anybody remember the 1958 class getting tossed out of Disneyland on senior ditch day? If yes, can you provide details? I remember, do you?
Hey Scott, I don't know but I'll say it had something to do with soap suds in the Jungle ride. Didn't we all get kicked out for something like that?
Name: Robb Russell () on Sunday, June 30, 2002 at 01:45:06
City and State: Long Beach
Message: Pardon the length of this message! When I was in 8th grade at Hawthorne Intermediate, my teacher gave each home room student a Bible as a present just before she moved out of the area in the late fall. She would probably be sued if she tried that today. I think that is when I stopped saying the part of Pledge of Allegiance that said, “under God.” The teacher who was her immediate replacement, a long term sub, told us the war in Vietnam was not practical because ‘some people can’t govern themselves and need a dictatorship.’ This did not turn me into a Communist.
The three judges in the “under God,” Pledge controversy all served in the US armed forces and one even spent time during World War II in an internment camp (that is the politically correct term; by any rational definition they were a type of concentration camp). Two of the judges were Republican presidential appointees and a Democratic president appointed the other judge. Patriots, all.
I do not recall who taught civics or government at HHS but we studied the structure of the US as a republic (rather than a pure democracy) with the balance of power between the executive, legislative and judicial branches. The Framers of the Constitution did not intend for the majority to possess ultimate power. The assumption that most people support the inclusion these words in the Pledge is not relevant. Most people supported slavery at one time. Most people were happy with women having no right to vote at one time. What is relevant is whether the courts find it constitutional.
President Washington spoke before a Jewish congregation in 1790. He said, "It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it was the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily, the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support" I would say more but I would take up a whole page. Vaya Con Dios.
Sorry to hear you gave up the under God statement because some caring teacher gave you a bible. Also, what does it matter who appointed what judge? That doesn't change the facts that most decisions rendered by this 74% liberal court are as provocative as an ACLU lawsuit.
This just in: The 9th Circuit recently has been reversing its three-judge decisions with 11-judge panels before the cases have reached the Supreme Court. The latest was last month, when the 9th Circuit changed course and ruled that inmates do not have a right to procreate and therefore cannot mail their sperm from prison.
Thanks Robb, for your opinion.....
MORE: SAN FRANCISCO ? A day after he flabbergasted the nation by declaring the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional, a federal appeals court judge put his ruling on hold indefinitely Thursday. Meanwhile, Attorney General John Ashcroft said the government will seek a rehearing. Circuit Judge Alfred T. Goodwin, who wrote the 2-1 opinion that said the phrase "under God" violates the separation of church and state, stayed his ruling until fellow members of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decide whether to reconsider the case. He gave no reason.